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« on: August 11, 2008, 07:49:08 PM »

heya all!

well, i've literally just got home from 2 months in China! i know a few of you knew about me going, and i've talked to a few people in the short time i've been back, but its good to know that Ynai hasn't changed too much in my absence!

Anyways, i've been spreading the naturist philosophy all across China! I've been naked on mountains, in rivers, there's not many people who can say they watched the opening ceremony of the Olympics in China, naked!  Tongue

Anyways, i'm looking forward to meeting the new folks who have joined in my absence, and to catching up with all my contacts from before! so if any of you see me online drop me a line again, i've missed you all!!

(P.S.  hardpoke  <---- wow, NEW!!)
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« Reply #1 on: August 11, 2008, 08:27:41 PM »

That's great! I love China. I went there last summer and it was a blast. Where all did you go there?

My parents are there right now and were at the opening ceremonies. I wish I could have gone.

Please let us know more about your travels.

Jessie
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« Reply #2 on: August 12, 2008, 12:47:16 AM »

Anyways, i've been spreading the naturist philosophy all across China! I've been naked on mountains, in rivers, there's not many people who can say they watched the opening ceremony of the Olympics in China, naked!  Tongue

Were you in the main stands at the opening ceremony?  Wink
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« Reply #3 on: August 12, 2008, 03:27:05 AM »

I'm really surprised that you were allowed to proselytise nudism in China, since that country is one of the worst offenders where violating basic human rights is concerned.

I couldn't be bothered with the Olympics as a result of that.  They should go to the other extreme and hold them in Barcelona in 2012.  Nobody would mind the athletes competing in the nude there either.  :-D

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« Reply #4 on: August 12, 2008, 07:03:51 AM »

Yes, I didn't really find any naturism in China.....I didn't expect to either.

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« Reply #5 on: August 12, 2008, 10:37:13 AM »

I agree with Dario
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« Reply #6 on: August 12, 2008, 03:36:12 PM »

I remember hearing (about 2-3 years ago) that they were talking about opening a nudist resort in China.  (Of course, Bob & Tom made a big joke about it in a bad way, proving that, whatever advances we've made, we've still got a long way to go.)  I don't know what happened after that.

However, in Travel Naturally 61, when they talk about nudism in Asia, they have this to say about China.

Quote from: Travel Naturally
Let's not talk about China.  Instead, we will visit Taiwan later on.
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« Reply #7 on: August 13, 2008, 08:01:40 AM »

heya, cheers for all the responses!  Smiley

um, in terms of where i went, we pretty much covered all of the Tibetan Plateau, and loads of the little towns and villages in Sichuan Province, plus we did all the usual big cities and sights as well  Smiley so that's why i got to be nude a lot, cos we spent most of our time either up mountains or in the countryside! I watched the opening ceremony naked in a sauna in a Tibetan cafe of all places  Tongue you can't really beat that!  smile

Dario, yeah i agree with you on the human rights issues, i'm a member of the Campaign for Tibet and Human Rights In China, and i was always against the Olympics being held there. but being inside the country while all the preparations were going on, and for the start of the games has changed my opinions slightly.
First, all this stuff about the Chinese government being completely open with foreign journalists is, frankly, simple lies. I saw literally hundreds of cases of oppression while i was there, cos we travelled to pretty much all the disputed areas in the country. The Three Gorges Dam Project along the Yangtze is destroying far more lives than has been documented; the Chinese government has created an unmistakable smokescreen around Tibet, and they are blocking any news from entering or leaving the region during the games (or certainly during the time i was there).
Also, despite all this talk of politics not entering into the Olympics, the Chinese government is definitely using the Olympics in a shocking way to forward its politics. Every villager we talked to had stories about how the government had "re-claimed" at least a part of their profits or land (every Chinese person only "loans" his/her land from the government, which effectively means that it's theirs until China decides it wants it back, then they can't do anything), but most of them were completely brain-washed into believing that the government had done it for the right reasons, even if it had forced them into poverty as a result.
But on the whole, politics is surprisingly open in China, meaning that people will normally happily talk to you about issues one-on-one, even though they would never dream of voicing their opinions out loud. The Olympics has definitely helped the Chinese people in some ways, it's certainly created literally millions of jobs and all the services and amenities in China are top-notch, but you can see it having repercussions for many people further down the line.
Overall, the main thing i learnt in China is that 90% of the population are genuinely happy - the political system doesn't really affect their lives and the government leaves them alone. It's just with that 10% that you see what the government can really be like.  Cry

herooftime - i know a lot of Chinese people that would be very pissed off with that quote  Tongue

thanks for all the replies, guys!  boobies
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« Reply #8 on: August 13, 2008, 12:18:00 PM »

Steve, many thanks for such an informative thread and essay.  Love this kind of stuff.   girl
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« Reply #9 on: August 13, 2008, 11:19:59 PM »

That sounds like an amazing experience. I'd love to make a trip like that some day.
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« Reply #10 on: August 16, 2008, 08:00:18 PM »

I couldn't be bothered with the Olympics as a result of that.  They should go to the other extreme and hold them in Barcelona in 2012.  Nobody would mind the athletes competing in the nude there either.  :-D

Ha ha, oh I think there just might just be a few folk who would object   Smiley
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« Reply #11 on: August 20, 2008, 02:40:48 AM »

how cool... I would love to go to CHina in a trip like that... sound terrific...
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