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Danee
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« on: April 24, 2008, 10:40:30 PM »

Hey folksies...How is everyone doing today?  Good, Im glad. Gather round while your friendly Danielle brings you some important education as to the word manners with the subject line. 
Ok, everyone seated?  Grab some popcorn ...

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Simply because someone has a MSN or YAHOO or something else visible is NOT, repeat NOT, (did I say not already?) an open invitation to add them automatically.  If you are find someone you wish to make contact with, heres what I want you to do, ok?  I want you to pm them, and cc their email if you wish and its visible to you, asking if they would be receptive to that.  If they do not reply DO NOT add them. Got it? Clear?  Thanks!  I really appreciate your attention. Honestly.  Now, you can go back to playing and all that stuff.  Just be safe and get inside before dark.  And, be back for dinner too! 

(by the way, I would not have thought we would have to give this manner lesson unless we did not receive 4 in the last week, FOUR, nice complaints on it. 

Thanks guys!  Love you!

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« Reply #1 on: April 24, 2008, 10:49:37 PM »

...get inside before dark.  And, be back for dinner too! 


What  Shocked   How about before or even better work.  I'm usually ot getting back until near dark. 
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« Reply #2 on: April 24, 2008, 10:50:51 PM »

...get inside before dark.  And, be back for dinner too! 


What  Shocked   How about before or even better work.  I'm usually ot getting back until near dark. 

Ok, but call home before leaving, ok?  And, take your jacket.
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« Reply #3 on: April 25, 2008, 05:09:19 AM »

but he is a nudist
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« Reply #4 on: April 25, 2008, 12:45:02 PM »

Thanks for the heads up on this, Danee.  Looking at it from another perspective, members here have the choice as to whether to put their IM details up on their profiles or not.  I'm sure that you would be aware that before you can add a user to your IM you have to send a message to them on the device explaining where you are from and how you got their details.  But I'm definitely keeping this in mind all the same. 
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« Reply #5 on: April 25, 2008, 12:55:29 PM »

I think that if you put your IM info on your public profile, you should be aware that people probably going to use it.

If you only want some people to use it, give it to them in a PM instead.
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« Reply #6 on: April 25, 2008, 01:20:41 PM »

Personally, I do totally understand the point of this rule :  http://ynai.com/forum/index.php?topic=8099.0

It only takes a a very little time to PM someone with such as :  "Hi, it's Dario, do you mind if I make you an MSN contact ?"  Probably actually a little more if the person hardly knows you.  It's good to talk !

I have not myself mentioned this to anyone before.  But in practice, ever since I made my MSN publicly available on my profile, I have had a lot of folk from YNAI that have simply added to me to their contact list without any prior word.

OK, certainly on my MSN, although they have added me as a contact, I then have to click to allow them to see when I am online and contact me, or I can click to block them from seeing when I am online and contacting me.

However, often it is not clear at all who it is.  I then spend time checking to see if it is YNAI person and looking at prospective MSN addys, since I don't just agree to anyone being a contact.  Most folk don't even use the facility to say a few words on the MSN contact addition note. Just I am told this somebody has added me to his / her contact list.  I have quite a number of contacts that I have basically left to hang, generally because I have not worked out who the heck they are. Some are probably from YNAI folk.  If one is maybe from anyone out there, you now know why you are hanging about, and know a way of sorting this  Smiley

Yes, I make my MSN addy ( and AIM addy, although I rarely use that nowasdays ) publicly available to folk that can view YNAI profiles. I just do not see why that makes it OK for anyone to add me ( or anyone else ) to their contact list without any prior word.

I actually only added it publicly on YNAI,  because a few months ago I thought that as an administrator of the forum, it might be helpful if I gave as many contact methods as I could in case of problems and / or other contacts failing.  I did previously keep it private.

As Danee has said, it's good manners, guys, and takes so little time.

Sara

PS : It would be good if this was the case, but it certainly is not on my MSN :

I'm sure that you would be aware that before you can add a user to your IM you have to send a message to them on the device explaining where you are from and how you got their details.   
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« Reply #7 on: April 25, 2008, 06:34:14 PM »

 agree It would be very helpful to have a PM record that you can use to match your MSN names with YNAI names.
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« Reply #8 on: April 26, 2008, 05:10:24 PM »

agree It would be very helpful to have a PM record that you can use to match your MSN names with YNAI names.

Sort of like a score card matching the names with the MSM/AIM/YAHOOOOOOOOOOOOs
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« Reply #9 on: April 27, 2008, 05:26:53 PM »

Thanks for the heads up on this, Danee.  Looking at it from another perspective, members here have the choice as to whether to put their IM details up on their profiles or not.  I'm sure that you would be aware that before you can add a user to your IM you have to send a message to them on the device explaining where you are from and how you got their details.  But I'm definitely keeping this in mind all the same. 

Putting your IM details on your profile may well mean that you are happy to receive contact from members of YNAI (although it is good not to assume that).

but equally it should be common courtesy, and a matter of course, that you include a message with your initial contact or add request stating that you are from YNAI, and your screenname on YNAI.

the same goes for add requests on MySpace and anything else too.

me personally, i receive add requests from a few different sources.  someone saying they are from YNAI might be automatically accepted by me, as i view being a member of this forum as a way in which i "know" them already.  someone with no introductory message at all and no means to identify them would probably not be accepted by me as a friend, because i would assume they were a stranger to me.

so, if you really want to be my (or anyone else's) friend on an IM or on MySpace or nudistclubhouse or whatever, you can take the time to introduce yourself.
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« Reply #10 on: April 28, 2008, 02:59:55 PM »

I can relate to sara's woes. I have a similar problem, especially after a chat session. For me, just asking my permission isn't enough (even tho ive rarely even been asked for that). If i added everyone ive had one or two conversations with, my friends list would be outlandishly large and unmanageable, and id forget 90% of the people on it. So no, despite talking to me once, im not going to automatically add people to my list. It takes a few conversations for me to be comfortable enough to call someone a friend and add them. I think i only have like 4 or 5 people from YNAI that are in my contact list, and i only talk to 2 of them on a somewhat regular basis.

So yes, i agree, get their permission before you go adding them. Having the MSN contact info up there isn't in fact an open invite for everyone to add.

Thank you Danee for posting this.
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« Reply #11 on: May 04, 2008, 03:22:24 AM »

Was I one of those who caused a complaint? I can't help it, I love adding more of my family to my messenger.
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« Reply #12 on: May 04, 2008, 12:05:06 PM »

Was I one of those who caused a complaint? I can't help it, I love adding more of my family to my messenger.

You must help it Peter.  You must.  The rule is on there now.  It's rude. 
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« Reply #13 on: May 05, 2008, 12:47:17 AM »

Was I one of those who caused a complaint? I can't help it, I love adding more of my family to my messenger.

You must help it Peter.  You must.  The rule is on there now.  It's rude. 

You always think I'm such a maddening person.
Can't you just say: Just remember to ask before you add next time please? Come on sis I'm very sensitive. It's like I'm the least kind person on here and I'm not like that.
If you get any further messages just forward me the message from the person I'll understand.
This is all a communication issue. I apologize for my previous actions and I'll do my best to remember for the future.
I am autistic you know.
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« Reply #14 on: May 10, 2008, 11:02:25 AM »

Now, I am beginning to wonder how many people actually are able to read English, particularly these people who it is in theory their first language.

We have had another recent member, since we highlighted this issue, who has told a friend of mine that she has been overwhelmed with messenger requests without any prior contact.

This is actually getting beyond a joke. We have pointed out that some folk have found it a problem, we have asked folk just to have made a PM / email contact beforehand, i.e. have some contact before and ask if you can add someone as messenger contact, and also make clear who you are when you you do. If they do not respond to your PM / email then do not add them to messenger.

I do realise that folk can't PM as "newbies", but you can give them an email contact if you really want to make contact so soon. Or, think about it, it maybe would be a good idea to leave it a bit and let them settle in, get familiar, post a bit, and in a little time they will be able to PM.

It is hardly a lot to ask.  I was under the impression that we had a really good community here, and that folk would take this on board and show some politeness.

Now, I don't think it is at all a coincidence that in this thread Danee, myself and Amy think it is a real issue, and that the immediate 2 respondents in the messageboard rule thread, saying they thought it was a good rule, were Marisol and Katie ( KC ).

Yes, all of these are female, and I think we have all been through this bombardment of messenger contacts. Now, it doesn't particularly really bother me that much these days.  However, it has been a contact source of comment from new members, primarly female, ever since I have been a moderator on this forum.

Do you want to actually drive away new members, particularly new female members, who join up here because they see every indication that bit is a good place, but then begin to wonder ?

Do folk want us to add the rule on thisi specifically to the ToS ?  Do you want us to start asking for names of these causing problems ?  In short, do you want us to have to start taking action against some people ? Because, unless some attitudes change around here, we may have to.

It is a very simple request.  If you are thinking about making a person a messenger contact, send them a polite PM / email, make contact and at some stage ask if they would like to be a messenger contact.

Having said that, don't start PMing them immediately, because some of you will know that has also been an issue for some new members ( and yes, particularly female ).  Let them settle in first, maybe welcome them in their intro thread ( most folk ike that ), and then maybe PM them after a week or so.  Don't PM them in their first day or so, please. Trust me, I know some folk have been majorly put off in the past by this, as well as the messenger issue.

So that's :  let new members settle in, maybe post in welcome thread, PM / email after a little while, and ask there about messenger if you think youed like to have them as contact, basically show manners, comprendez ?.

I am sorry that I have to so painstakingly repeat much of this, and I am sure that it is totally unneccessary for most of you, but we really are getting a bit fed up with this.  So, please read, understand and act on this.

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