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HarleyNude
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« on: July 28, 2006, 06:42:36 PM »

I found a similar article on a naturist club site and felt it worthy to post here.  I think this REALLY nails it on the head as to all the barriers that women encounter (physically, mentally, spiritually) when considering giving it a try.  For the guys on here who\'ve asked how they can get their girlfriend\'s involved, consider this discussion when you might be wondering her hesitancies...

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Ryan


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Women  deserve very special respect from each of us on the other side of the great gender divide. Surrounded by a body-alienated culture and burdened by centuries of systematic patriarchy, it is a wonder that women even consider, much less risk, social nudity with men. Just a precious few actually brave the experience, despite touted benefits which must seem almost too good to be true. It takes self-assurance and true grit.

We can only salute the extraordinary courage, trust and independence of thought it must take for any woman to break the \"body taboo\" for the first time. She faces far more forbidding obstacles to accepting her natural body than does a man.

Ignoring a daily dose of sexual abuse headlines, she must first resolve basic safety issues before seriously contemplating the exposure of her body. If some men can justify rape based upon revealing dress, what then the effect of her wearing nothing at all? The male record on sexual violence against women cannot be very reassuring to her.

Even a woman quite capable of defending herself does not wish to endure the unwelcome advances of leering predators misinterpreting her nudity as encouragement. She can only hope that naturist men will have a higher standard of conduct and self-restraint than she may have experienced elsewhere.

Any woman knows that most men have a certain prurient interest in nude female bodies. Growth industries provide titillating displays of busty, nubile ones in magazines, movies and videos designed to meet varied male sexual fantasies. How does she know that accepting a naturist lifestyle might not be some male ploy to exploit her nudity?

She must also he bold enough to overcome complex social conditioning--culturally embedded since childhood and doggedly persistent despite the \"Sexual Revolution\"--which imposes an unfair double standard for male-female behavior, casts women as subservient, equates nudity with sexuality, and creates unhealthy attitudes about human bodies, especially our reproductive systems. Though dutifully reinforced by generations of compliant mothers, this convoluted value system--well-entrenched over several millennia and only recently challenged by a few feminists--originates from male dominance of all organized religions.

Blaming, concealing and controlling women\'s bodies still preoccupy fundamentalist authoritarians of all stripes, and these masters of the shame-and-guilt game tenaciously hang on to the disproportionate power that making and interpreting doctrine bestows to male prerogatives. Social nudity, topfree sunbathing, sex education, condoms/contraception, erotic art, explicit media, abortion rights, and all \"unsanctioned\" sexual relationships are ever-popular targets for a mixed bag of self-appointed censors and \"morality\" policemen. Often trashing constitutional principles of church and state separation, their ultimate goal always seems to be a male theocracy.

A woman has also to consider the consequences of family, friends, or employer finding out about her nude experience. Even if she knows better, others in our repressed, gymnophobic society might believe that she partakes in some weird sex cult or is, at minimum, a compulsive exhibitionist.

She may even feel uncertain about the motives of the man who may be trying to convince her to share naturism with him. She may also have concerns about how this experience will affect their relationship.

Then, if a woman is also a mother, the critical issues of social nudity multiply and magnify. What of the child\'s safety and welfare? Is it harmful for the young to see their elders nude? What about judgements by the ignorant about the fitness of her parenting, and so on?

Sadly, a modern woman\'s greatest barrier to body freedom is often her negatively distorted self-image. Very few women accept, much less like, their bodies. Studies confirm that even the \"genetically gifted\" tend to obsess about their \"flaws\" to the detriment of their self-esteem.

Mass media constantly bombard women with perfect images of a cosmetic beauty standard which only a tiny percentage of the white, thin and young could hope to approach, much less retain for very long. Female bodies are valued more for appearance than function, even in women\'s media.

Food and time become enemies of any woman conditioned to believe that a lean body and an unlined face are passports to happiness. Every woman knows she falls short of the airbrushed models she sees, and many are driven to employ whatever it takes to disguise an imperfect reality.

This crazy-making, no-win quest to attain the perfect body is supported by vast market forces with huge profit incentives to keep all women dissatisfied with themselves as they are--and ever more anxious as they age. It is not surprising that eating disorders in young women are at epidemic levels and are beginning to manifest earlier in childhood.

Drawing from such a conflicted popular culture, it is little wonder that natursim appears to have more interest from single men than from single women and that even clubs have struggled to maintain a comfortable gender balance in singles memberships.

Few men need fear assault by naked women, so their trying naturism is a lesser physical risk. As it is much more difficult to play macho without a loincloth, some males do have considerations about co-ed nudity, however.

While locker room and barracks experiences may acclimate more men than women to nudity en masse, the presence of women does stir certain male anxieties. There\'s nothing like having exposed, external genitalia to trigger personal concerns about unintended reactions or disappointing endowments. Women have an equalizing advantage in at least this situation.

Still, what an intuitive leap of faith it must take for a woman to overcome her litany of anxieties in order to be nude and vulnerable among strangers for the first time--especially before men, who she probably fears may stare at her body and grade her down some sexist scale of 1 to 10. That any woman would also brave a beach without a man or with her children is even more remarkable.

And it is the bravest of the strong who dares tell her female friends and relatives about her nude experiences, for women can often be the severest critics of one another\'s actions. Only a truly self-confident person can comfortably correct popular misconceptions about social nudity and personally invite her skeptical sisters to discover for themselves the surprising virtues and unexpected insights that she found going nude. First-hand endorsements account for most single women giving naturism a try for the first time.

A naturist experience can make a very special contribution to women because it is so very different from the anti-female culture that teaches them to reject their bodies and forces them to wear rags of shame. They simply see in naked reality that each persons body is a uniquely beautiful, original creation--an incomparable work of natural art.

We\'re each a minority of one falling somewhere along an amazingly diverse spectrum of human possibilities, and we\'re either all acceptable, or none of us can be. God\'s image is infinite and includes both male and female variations of many hues, forms and ages. Any narrow standard of beauty is absurd.

Some women are very surprised to find that social nudity defuses sexual tension and feels so relaxing. The mutual vulnerability of having nothing to hide somehow balances the power equation between sexes, and universal body acceptance facilitates a comfortable self acceptance. It feels like the ultimate tranquilizer to just be here now in the all together.

Encourage the women in your life to give naturism a try.  Point them to this forum, maybe even point out certain articles such as this.  However each woman will ultimately need to find it within herself the fortitude to break through all the barriers and find the courage to take that plunge.

Ryan



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DougGCampbell
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« Reply #1 on: July 28, 2006, 11:25:49 PM »

Sorry Ryan but this article would put me right off being a nudist if I were a femalre reading it. I appreciate that you\'ve posted it as a tribute because there are so  many issues that a female must overcome before she becomes a nudist but .... many of the statements are true for males also. Frankly, reading an article like this would have many of those girls who are dipping a toe in the water running in the opposite direction. Fast.  Shocked

As you say at the end, bring your partner\'s to the forum if they are interested & if they want to join, great, but don\'t force them. We\'re exceptionally fortunate that we have genuine girls within YNAI who are experienced in the \'n\' lifestyle & who, I know, will happily help out any partner\'s/girlfriend\'s/wives who have an interest in nudism but can\'t decide what the next step should be.

Remember, YNAI is a small community dealing with a topic that is taboo with many who are the exact same as us .... except, they see clothing as some form of status symbol, not the way we see it. It\'s all about education, & changing the public\'s perception that it\'s not ok for me to walk down the steet with no shirt on but a girl has to hide her chest because it has more curves ..... we\'re here for the long haul & need more like minded people (esp. girls) to join us & help promote the cause.

Rant over  :-X

DGC
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HarleyNude
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« Reply #2 on: July 28, 2006, 11:52:36 PM »

Wow Doug I\'m shocked?!

This article was taken from a naturist\'s club\'s web page (with some editing by me to remove their name and get the sentence structure current).  The article was designed to reassure women who might be considering going there that it was safe!

Do you believe that women reading it are less likely to visit after reading it?

That was clearly the opposite response I thought would occur... it just spells out the \"why\" women don\'t take to nudism more quickly...

How about others?  How do you all interpret the article?

Ryan
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« Reply #3 on: July 29, 2006, 06:39:31 AM »

if i were a woman, i think i would find it reassuring... maybe a little bit like someone finally understood me, afterall, even!

I think we need a woman\'s opinion, though... where\'s Danee when you need her!? She usually jumps all over something like this!
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« Reply #4 on: July 29, 2006, 08:37:05 AM »

OK, I\'ll do the jumping in Danee\'s absence   :grin:

A very interesting find by Ryan, and I see you guys have very different interpretations on it.

Clearly, there is a huge amount of truth in that article.  However, I don\'t really see it as a very helpful article for encouraging a female towards naturism, more reinforcing all the nagative thoughts she might have whilst bringing up others she hadn\'t thought of.

If she started with many doubts, reading that article would bring so many of them to the fore, and iit was very low on so many of the positives, particularly llinked to the sheer freedom that many of us feel.

Now, perhaps I am not the best to judge the article since I have not as such had to be introduced to naturism, but more born into as it were.  I am though obviously aware of many of the negatives brought up and have sometimes not felt entirely comfortable about being alone, and for instance am considering trying a naturist swim in Edinburgh, but probably only if I have a freind that comes along.  However, if I was just considering naturism, I don\'t want someone just reemphasing the doubts that I have, but tell me more of the positives.

I note that it comes from a particular naturist club\'s site and it strikes me that it is an article rather more for existing naturists than an article to recruit new females.  I don\'t know if, in the final paragraph, it is Ryan suggesting  people \"point out certain articles like this\" or part of the article itself.  However, I \'d point them more directly towards other naturists, hey point them to this forum ( agree with that ! )

Either way, to me it just goes over too many of the negatives, which may already be what is holding someone back.  Even trying to bring up positives at the end, to me they sound more like platitudes rather than someone bringing up the truelly good experiences that naturism can bring.

There are some great writers on here who I think could write proper inspiring articles for females.  I think I\'d point them towards some of Amy\'s posts for a start.

Thanks again, Ryan, for sharing this article with us, but I personally don\'t think it is particularly good for either reassurring females or bringing them closer to naturism.

Sara
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« Reply #5 on: July 29, 2006, 09:28:30 AM »

hhmmmmm...interesting read. I totally agree with Sara and Doug on this one. It may be a good speech to give someone after graduation from the textile world to the nude one just before they get the certificate. It might possibly be used to talk up someones feelings of courage and confidence for nuding-up in spite of the possible presence danger and ridicule, but I\'m not sure it would really serve any purpose in encouraging someone to jump in.

Just my humble thoughts.
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« Reply #6 on: September 03, 2010, 12:39:03 PM »

  goodpoint agree perhaps, if women could see the freedom of naturism for what it is, then they may be more likely to get involved, and therefore, the gender distribution, could even out, thus improving the experience.
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« Reply #7 on: September 03, 2010, 04:07:49 PM »

Yes..I agree..women has more hurdles to cross to become a naturist...at least I could say that keeping in my mind the land where I was born and brought-up...

But no one can judge which is the best way..textile or nudity..it depends on individual and their way of thinking...
I believe naturism has more positive effects on society in long term..might be after few generations when everyone was introduced to this lifesytle from beginning...till then there are challenges in this lifestyle as well....but strong minds who believe in naturism will definitely construct a secure feeling in future generations...

Every one should have right to follow what they believe and every one should have respect for others beliefs as well...I know its big thing to expect , but it ends most of the problems in this world..Smiley
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