Is War the answer to providing World Peace ?

[Rob]

Hi Fellow Youth Naturists.

In the current world enviroment with war and terrorism, is war the answer to these issues?

[Spontanudity]

As the devils adovacate, I feel that your question is a little too bais to the affirmative. There are a lot more complex issues at hand and let\'s face it we get our information from the media. Do you believe everthing you read/watch? Do we have enough (accurate) information to make such an statement?

Sponta.

[Godzilla]

Violence only brings peace through oppression.

[Rob]

Hey Sponta

I think the question is straigh forward. Is war the answer to solving the current enviroment we now all live in ? It is not a bias question.

Dubya was the one who declared war on the world after 911.The war in Iraq? not because of terrorism, not because of WOMD (Weapons of Mass Distruction) but because of Oil, Kuwait ? Oil, Iraq ? Oil.

I don\'t believe all I read in the media, I have friends all over the world and can put two and two together and read in between the lines.

There are three things in this world that I hate :

1. War
2. Guns
3. Religion

Why ? Because all three are destroying this awesome planet we all share, EARTH! If we can all learn to share and respect each others beliefs this world would be a more enjoyable place to live and explore.

Look how we all came together to help and support the countries effected by the Tsunami on December 26th. Proof that humans of all race can work and live together for a common goal.

Here\'s to World Peace by 2020 !

The above statement are of my personal thoughts and not of YNAI as an association, if I have offended anyone in anyway, I apologise but this subject is deep in my heart and sole.

Cheers

[Spontanudity]

Rob,

I think there are many more complex issues here. Least of which is that of human nature and sociology. Unfortunately, we\'ll always have people that steal, commit \"crimes\" and assault others for whatever reason.

Take for example the recent riots in Sydney. People are always going to feel they have a right to stand up against authority, whether it\'s a country, a state, or simply the police.

Our sociological make-up creates a need to join with others and defend the values of those groups.

Would you defend your right to be a naturist if some other group chooses to fight against your right to be nude?

Religion is an interesting sociological phenomena, it has the greater influence over our lives than any other collective belief. Religion is merely a group of beliefs that a collective choose to believe are facts. Attempting to change these beliefs or alter somebodies practise of these beliefs creates the agression, not the religion itself. Have you ever tried to stop somebody believing in their faith? It\'s futile, it will only develop a stronger sense of belief...

I can ramble forever... So I\'ll open the floor to scrutinity...

Spontanudity

[newbie]

oka little late perhaps, but my opinion is that you cant bring peace through war. Its like staying a virgin by having sex.
The thing is that the last few decades certain philosophers have said that our world has reached its high, that improvement is no longer possible. That perfect system is liberal democracy.  The thing is that by exluding every possibilty to question and further develop this system, it\'s turned into an ideolgy (much like communism, only better off course). Now you cant just say: ok, we\'ve reached the highest stage and now it\'s our duty to spread the word. If an other country isnt capable of adapting our system, we bomb them and that \'ll teach them. In se that could even be defendable, were it not that is has never been Bush\' intention to actually change anything in the countries he has invaded. Take Afghanistan as an example: The Taliban regime is slowly taking over again and 80% of the countries economy is opium farms - which had almost been exstinct under Taliban regime.
So indeed, that doesnt leave much room for onterpretation as for why Bush invaded all those countries.

As for religion: I don\'t mind it until they start interfering with my life and how I live. Everyone is allowed to have his own ideas (as long as he obeys the law) and it\'s not because you believe in God, that your way is the right one.

Jan

[Daryn]

I want to write an essay about this, but to keep it short.


If the war was an action of greed, then there would be no peace, just an ongoing war

[newbie]

but there is an ongoing war. Peace wasn\'t exactly restored in Iraq, au contraire, there\'s more conflict then there ever was under Saddam (but that was because people were oppressed, true) and in afghanistan, the UN are still fighting Taliban militants (has been going on for a couple of years now)

[Nakedguy90]

As long as mankind exists, there will be war. Greed, Power, Wealth, personal vendettas, protection, rebellion, and sometimes fun are the reasons of war. Mankind only looks for power, if you study history you would see that.

[mistermocha]

i think war is the singly most depressing thing in my lifetime.  and perhaps it always will be.  i understand that people say there will always be war.  maybe this is true.  but at the same time we should hope for something better.  i simply do not except the fact that war is fixing any problems.  in reality it is only creating more and the truth is it is born of fear and it begets fear.  i hate it.

i also hate how, for my country atleast, \"we\" are representing a country and a political power that \"we\" dont even want.  the amount of nation wide surveys that ask the public whether or not they want our troupes (australia by the way) to remain members in the \'war against terrorism\' is large and the overwhelming result everytime is \'get them out of there, we dont want to be involved, this was is not acceptable\'!  BUT what does our foreign minister reply with \"now i dont think our people want to leave ourselves open for attack, do they?\"  what an idiot, we just did a pole, it isnt about being attacked it is about ceasing TO attack.

anyway...

[nakednudists]

This topic will go on forever...everyone has so many different opinions about it.  But hey, that\'s what the boards are for! :grin:

[PirateJohn]

For those who say war cannot bring peace, I am curious as to whether you think It was justified to wage war against Germany in 1941.

[Galapalagos]

WW2 was a culmination of a whole slew of events, circumstances and fanatical ideals.  Bigger question I think is does violence of any kind really solve any problems.  There are many ways to get your point across and change views/agree with on everything from the personal level up to international dealings.

[walsh]

For those who say war cannot bring peace, I am curious as to whether you think It was justified to wage war against Germany in 1941.

You\'ve got a point, though the world has changed much since then. Hitler and Mussolini completely over- exploited the uses of propaganda in the 40s, and since there was no TV, and radio and newspapers were run by the government, there was very little free speech encouraging revolutional thinking, so everyone was basically brainwashed into thinking that their government was always right and wise on their decisions. Hitler convinced the Germans that the Jews were evil, sly, they were the cause of most of Germany\'s problems, etc, and so the people had no choice but to believe this. So therefore in some ways, lots of people never realized what exactly they were fighting for, or against, they just knew that they had to fight for their own government and country, without any second thought.  Nowadays, however, there\'s no limit to all the free speech and mass communication in the world today. We live in a society where you can go from one side of the globe to the other in less than a few days, so in my opinion I think it\'s ridiculous that people must resort to slaughtering eachother in order to solve their problems nowadays. It\'s like we\'ve never really advanced from the middle ages at all in terms of political strifes, we still have to murder. Basically, what I\'m saying is that ignorance seems to be the cause of many wars. (sorry, I seem to have rambled on a bit)

[nakedmunros.com]

For those who say war cannot bring peace, I am curious as to whether you think It was justified to wage war against Germany in 1941.

It was entirley justified - especially as we had been fighting them for two years after their invasion of Poland. We\'d had the Battle of Britain, the Blitz, Dunkirk and the U boat battles in the Atlantic by 1941. The Soviets had had six months of fighting as well.